Comments on: Utah’s Ag Leaders Want Stimulus Funds to Bail Out Meat Producers, Feed Hungry http://kcpw.org/blog/local-news/2009-10-02/utahs-ag-leaders-want-stimulus-funds-to-bail-out-meat-producers-feed-hungry/ 88.3 | 105.3 Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:01:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Megan http://kcpw.org/blog/local-news/2009-10-02/utahs-ag-leaders-want-stimulus-funds-to-bail-out-meat-producers-feed-hungry/comment-page-1/#comment-1246 Megan Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:15:27 +0000 http://kcpw.org/?p=5454#comment-1246 This comment is directly to Matt. How is animal agriculture subsidized by the government? Well, a quick stroll through the Farm Bill (you know US Congress puts this out every five years, do you get your news anywhere besides Fox?) shows DIRECT PAYMENTS to producers and this is not directly tied to actual production shortfalls, thus highly successful (-read- large and rich) farmers are getting paid on top of successful harvests. Further, with steep imports on crops from other countries effectively subsidizes and gives a very unfair market advantage to US farmers (if we are all just dang good ol' free market capitalists, then say it ain't so). FURTHER and of special importance for western states, the federal government through the Bureau of Reclamation, heavily subsidizes water to support intensive agricultural production in a desert. The water is actually FREE! And further, us tax payers PAY for infrastructure improvements of which farmers are the main beneficiary. Your ignorance is vast. And please tell me how the average American is both OBESE and eats over twice the RDA of protein. The RDA is 56 grams for a mixed plant-animal diet and most Americans eat 75 grams/day. So let us please continue to keep animal producers rich and not responsible for the environmental degradation caused by CAFOs, keep Americans sluggish and fat, and keep thinking that we are justified in eating excessive quantities of meat because the lord put the cow down here for no other reason than to help us revel in our anthropocentric inability to manage even ourselves, let alone our planet. This comment is directly to Matt. How is animal agriculture subsidized by the government? Well, a quick stroll through the Farm Bill (you know US Congress puts this out every five years, do you get your news anywhere besides Fox?) shows DIRECT PAYMENTS to producers and this is not directly tied to actual production shortfalls, thus highly successful (-read- large and rich) farmers are getting paid on top of successful harvests. Further, with steep imports on crops from other countries effectively subsidizes and gives a very unfair market advantage to US farmers (if we are all just dang good ol’ free market capitalists, then say it ain’t so). FURTHER and of special importance for western states, the federal government through the Bureau of Reclamation, heavily subsidizes water to support intensive agricultural production in a desert. The water is actually FREE! And further, us tax payers PAY for infrastructure improvements of which farmers are the main beneficiary. Your ignorance is vast. And please tell me how the average American is both OBESE and eats over twice the RDA of protein. The RDA is 56 grams for a mixed plant-animal diet and most Americans eat 75 grams/day. So let us please continue to keep animal producers rich and not responsible for the environmental degradation caused by CAFOs, keep Americans sluggish and fat, and keep thinking that we are justified in eating excessive quantities of meat because the lord put the cow down here for no other reason than to help us revel in our anthropocentric inability to manage even ourselves, let alone our planet.

]]> By: Matt http://kcpw.org/blog/local-news/2009-10-02/utahs-ag-leaders-want-stimulus-funds-to-bail-out-meat-producers-feed-hungry/comment-page-1/#comment-1214 Matt Mon, 05 Oct 2009 18:32:17 +0000 http://kcpw.org/?p=5454#comment-1214 I'd like to know how you think animal agriculture is subsidized by the gov't? If it's because they graze on federal land, then sure. But technically then, all of us are subsidized by the taxes of the rich, and land that is "managed" by the feds. Using the term "bailout" is not quite fair, in how it relates to the auto industry. They got in the mess they're in through bad guesses in products by consumers, and playing in the finance/insurance lottery. Producers are having a hard time because of rising costs of energy, feed, etc. They are the sounding board of what the gov't has already done to the economy. Second, a balanced diet that includes protein-rich meats is quite good for you, so sorry, vegan & vegetarian advocates. You can't get that nutrition just from plants. I’d like to know how you think animal agriculture is subsidized by the gov’t? If it’s because they graze on federal land, then sure. But technically then, all of us are subsidized by the taxes of the rich, and land that is “managed” by the feds. Using the term “bailout” is not quite fair, in how it relates to the auto industry. They got in the mess they’re in through bad guesses in products by consumers, and playing in the finance/insurance lottery. Producers are having a hard time because of rising costs of energy, feed, etc. They are the sounding board of what the gov’t has already done to the economy.

Second, a balanced diet that includes protein-rich meats is quite good for you, so sorry, vegan & vegetarian advocates. You can’t get that nutrition just from plants.

]]> By: JohnnyZu http://kcpw.org/blog/local-news/2009-10-02/utahs-ag-leaders-want-stimulus-funds-to-bail-out-meat-producers-feed-hungry/comment-page-1/#comment-1154 JohnnyZu Sat, 03 Oct 2009 04:33:07 +0000 http://kcpw.org/?p=5454#comment-1154 This is insane. If we're giving these businesses money, we should just run around and give everyone free money! But, I do understand how a bunch of people want some free money, who doesn't? By the way, there is sh!t in the meat. This is insane. If we’re giving these businesses money, we should just run around and give everyone free money! But, I do understand how a bunch of people want some free money, who doesn’t? By the way, there is sh!t in the meat.

]]> By: Meat industry asks for bailout “to feed the hungry” « Culture, Politics, and Animals http://kcpw.org/blog/local-news/2009-10-02/utahs-ag-leaders-want-stimulus-funds-to-bail-out-meat-producers-feed-hungry/comment-page-1/#comment-1152 Meat industry asks for bailout “to feed the hungry” « Culture, Politics, and Animals Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:47:37 +0000 http://kcpw.org/?p=5454#comment-1152 [...] let your representatives support this $900 million stimulus plan. As Chris G. points out, the government is already heavily subsidizing [...] [...] let your representatives support this $900 million stimulus plan. As Chris G. points out, the government is already heavily subsidizing [...]

]]> By: Louche http://kcpw.org/blog/local-news/2009-10-02/utahs-ag-leaders-want-stimulus-funds-to-bail-out-meat-producers-feed-hungry/comment-page-1/#comment-1143 Louche Sat, 03 Oct 2009 03:31:55 +0000 http://kcpw.org/?p=5454#comment-1143 Please oppose this stimulus. The government is already heavily subsidizing the animal ag industries. They've been lobbying the government for the better part of a century now just so they can make as much money as possible. Please oppose this stimulus. The government is already heavily subsidizing the animal ag industries. They’ve been lobbying the government for the better part of a century now just so they can make as much money as possible.

]]> By: Ann Bruner http://kcpw.org/blog/local-news/2009-10-02/utahs-ag-leaders-want-stimulus-funds-to-bail-out-meat-producers-feed-hungry/comment-page-1/#comment-1138 Ann Bruner Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:08:51 +0000 http://kcpw.org/?p=5454#comment-1138 No no no...meat & dairy are not healthy...but vegetables are. No no no…meat & dairy are not healthy…but vegetables are.

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