Both Sides of the Aisle

The Ukrainian refugee crisis, U.S. energy policy and Utah’s ban on transgender student-athletes


Both Sides of the Aisle – Natalie Gochnour is joined on The Right by Sen. Dan McCay, R-Riverton, and on The Left by Shireen Ghorbani, former Salt Lake County Council member. They discuss the worsening refugee crisis in Ukraine, sanctions against Russia and the future of U.S. energy policy. They also discuss the bill banning transgender student-athletes from participation in Utah schools, Salt Lake County Mayor Jenny Wilson endorsing independent Evan McMullin for U.S. Senate and caucus meetings in Utah.

Resources mentioned by Shireen during the show

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    Shireen talked about how both the ‘anti-trans narrative’ and this peice of legislation was “violent”. To describe words as “violence” invites and justified actual violence to be done in response to other’s words. I think using such hyperbolic language heightens the temperature and stakes of the discussion, and moves away from working out solutions.

    I find it interesting that Dan, as a man, continued to cut off the women, one who played sports, on an issue that their opinion was based on actual lived experience. To Natalie’s point, this should not be a state legislative issue decided by those who are speaking from a “political identity” place.

    You seem to be saying that people should defer to the “lived experience” of others regardless of what is being said based on immutable characteristics of who is talking.

    Is that accurate, or did I miss something?

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